<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><DIV>The Landmark Forum was easily one of the most profound and therapeutic experiences of my life (9 years ago). For example, in 3.5 days, I witnessed people who'd been molested completely work through it and renew their relationships with their parent(s). That's unlike anything I'd seen or even thought possible before.</DIV>
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<DIV>I did get turned off by how much they pushed their advanced courses (after I'd done the Forum), so I didn't do anything further with them, but they are definitely not a cult and can be very helpful to someone who's trying to get over something in their past, change a pattern of behavior, or find inspiration. (And they are a bargain compared to the price of therapy.)</DIV>
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<DIV>The organization Elizabeth describes at the beginning of this thread is trying to sound like the Landmark Forum but isn't. (You should probably notify Landmark Education about them, Elizabeth.)</DIV>
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<DIV>Just my 2 cents : ).</DIV>
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<DIV>: ) Ankur : )</DIV>
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<DIV>----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Christon DeWan <cmdpix@mac.com><BR>To: Social Social <social@deeptrouble.com><BR>Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:20:33 AM<BR>Subject: Re: SOCIAL: Help finding whether organization is solid or not<BR><BR>My sister was involved with the Landmark Forum for a bit after <BR>college. She said it was a very low point in her life, that it fairly <BR>destroyed her self confidence and self esteem and that it basically <BR>was a cult. Of course, this is just one second-hand opinion, but just <BR>beware.<BR><BR>~Christon<BR><BR>On Oct 13, 2008, at 8:13 AM, <A href="mailto:amymuller@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:amymuller@gmail.com">amymuller@gmail.com</A> wrote:<BR><BR>> This actually sounds exactly like Landmark. We went to a free <BR>> seminar with a friend and it was basically just a very high pressure <BR>> sales pitch to sign up for the very expensive "Forum". At
one point <BR>> during the evening I got up to go to the bathroom which happened to <BR>> be in the hallway that also led to the door to go outside. There was <BR>> actually someone "standing gaurd" in the hallway who stopped me <BR>> because they thought I was leaving. I was pretty creeped out. That <BR>> being said, I do know people who have gotten a lot out of Landmark <BR>> Forum. Just not my thing. Anyway, the wording on the poster and the <BR>> veil of obscurity on the web site all seem very reminiscent of it.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: Randall Isaac <<A href="mailto:randall@deadletter.com" ymailto="mailto:randall@deadletter.com">randall@deadletter.com</A>><BR>><BR>> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:04:45<BR>> To: Social Social<<A href="mailto:social@deeptrouble.com"
ymailto="mailto:social@deeptrouble.com">social@deeptrouble.com</A>><BR>> Subject: Re: SOCIAL: Help finding whether organization is solid or not<BR>><BR>><BR>> It does seem a little suspicious. It sounds a lot like all those <BR>> Get<BR>> Rich in Real Estate courses (hah!) where they would offer a "free"<BR>> seminar, that would really just be a high-pressure sales pitch for the<BR>> paid seminar. Some of the sources I Googled describe Kairos as an<BR>> outgrowth of EST, similar to The Landmark Forum.<BR>><BR>> Randall<BR>><BR>> Elisabeth Lamoureux wrote:<BR>>> Hello everyone,<BR>>><BR>>> Could anyone guide me in finding out more about the Kairos Foundation<BR>>> and its "More to Life" courses?<BR>>> <A href="http://moretolife.org/" target=_blank>http://moretolife.org/</A><BR>>><BR>>> Am acquaintance working for them as a volunteer has asked me
to help<BR>>> in distributing their posters in my neighborhood. It's about a free<BR>>> event: a seminar entitled "Learning to Move from Overwhelm to<BR>>> Possibility."<BR>>><BR>>> This sounds like some inspirational-talk seminar which, who knows,<BR>>> might be interesting. The thing that bugs me though is that the<BR>>> poster also says that information will be available about an upcoming<BR>>> course to be held in November in Oakland. The web-site doesn't give<BR>>> much concrete information about that course besides the fact that it<BR>>> costs $495 for a 2 1/2 day seminar.<BR>>><BR>>> My initial (and admittedly skeptical) sense tells me that this<BR>>> organization is not very solid (no references to any books, reports,<BR>>> articles, etc.), and that this initial event is only a recruiting<BR>>> event for the expensive later seminar.
At the moment, I'm not<BR>>> thrilled about distributing those posters...<BR>>><BR>>> Thanks to any and all who can help!<BR>>> --Elisabeth<BR>>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Social mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:Social@lists.deeptrouble.com" ymailto="mailto:Social@lists.deeptrouble.com">Social@lists.deeptrouble.com</A><BR>> <A href="http://lists.deeptrouble.com/listinfo.cgi/social-deeptrouble.com" target=_blank>http://lists.deeptrouble.com/listinfo.cgi/social-deeptrouble.com</A><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Social mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:Social@lists.deeptrouble.com" ymailto="mailto:Social@lists.deeptrouble.com">Social@lists.deeptrouble.com</A><BR>> <A href="http://lists.deeptrouble.com/listinfo.cgi/social-deeptrouble.com"
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