<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Allegra -<div><br></div><div>I agree, the conversation is telling, but it had not, until your email, touched on anything more than "the East Bay is cheaper" and was at risk of becoming "yay East Bay! - SF sux" which is useless. </div><div><br></div><div>Your email is the first to make this an interesting conversation. I'm not trying to keep the peace as much as trying to make sure only the signal to noise ration remains high. Your email meets that bar & then some!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>'Deep<br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On May 2, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Allegra Hirschman wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Hey all,<br><br><br>I think this conversation is very telling of a major tension in this city that most of us are uncomfortable discussing - the fact that basically only rich people can live here. I have seen this tension building as housing advertisements on boards around the city are consistently defaced by people who are outraged by the rent.<br>
<br>Even if it is all relative, I am upset by anyone reffering to this as "cheap." Someone earning minimum wage does not even bring in 1700 a month. <br><br>I am also unclear on why saying the east bay is affordable is "denigrating" unless us SFers are just that programmed by our 8 dollar heirloom coffee beans to believe that something being reasonably priced makes it less than. <br>
<br>I don't think we can blame the person renting this studio at what is sadly, market value, for the greater issues here. I know I am very concerned that SF has the lowest percentage of children in any U.S. City and even though I always thought I would fight like hell to raise my kids here, even if i can swing it, I am not sure if I want them to only interact with children of the rich.<br>
<br>Deep- I appreciate you trying to keep the peace in the bay divides, but I couldn't keep my mouth shut.<br><br>Allegra<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Amandeep Jawa <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:deep@deeptrouble.com" target="_blank">deep@deeptrouble.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Folks -</div><div><br></div><div>This conversation is all noise. It sheds little light, and it us difgicult for SFers to respond without sounding like we're denigrating the East Bay.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Yes. There are many upsides to leaving on either side of the Bay. There are challenges to both.</div><div><br></div><div>'deep<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On May 2, 2012, at 8:46 AM, "Erin Milnes" <<a href="mailto:erin.milnes@comcast.net" target="_blank">erin.milnes@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I agree – East Bay all the way. If we
rented out our Oakland 2 BR, 1 BA duplex with beautiful garden & deck,
10-min walk from Lake Merritt we’d maybe get $1700.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I haven’t looked at SF rents in years, but
when I left Bernal in 2005, the 3BR house I lived in wasn’t going for anything comparable
to this (maybe $2100?), and of course it was much harder to find roommates
then, than in the pre-millennial boom. Have rents gone up this much all over
SF, or is it just certain neighborhoods?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Also, I didn’t know that it was legal to
rent an apartment without a stove.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:01
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:ellisafeinstein@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ellisafeinstein@yahoo.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:manish@champsee.com" target="_blank">manish@champsee.com</a><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: SOCIAL: Fwd:
[cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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creek and storage shed for $1925/mo. After 18 years in SF I just couldn't
stomach the rents anymore.<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span></b>Re: SOCIAL: Fwd:
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cheap..if you know anyone looking, I'd tell them to jump on it. A
friend has a studio in India Basin that is pet friendly that he's asking
$1400 and has people willing to write a check site unseen.<br>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Ellisa Feinstein <<a>ellisafeinstein@yahoo.com</a>>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">Wow. $1700 for a studio without a full kitchen. These
rents are getting dang crazy!<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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From: <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Susan Alexander</span></b> <<a>salexandersf@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM<br>
Subject: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available<br>
To: CDS listserv <<a>cdscommunity@yahoogroups.com</a>><br>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Hi,<br>
I'm looking for a new tenant for my sunny, spacious studio apartment with
beautiful views on Hill Street.<br>
<br>
Large, cheerful studio apartment with deck and direct garden access. Full
bath, carpet, two large walk-in closets. Minimal kitchen with half fridge,
hot plate, and toaster oven. Great neighbors. Easy street parking and Muni
access. Walking distance to Castro and to 24th Street. <br>
No pets. No smoking.<br>
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Available July 1<br>
$1700/month plus utilities<br>
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Please share this with your networks. I would love to get some friend of
friend in there, so I'll wait before I post on Craigslist.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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