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Funny, during one of the May Day General Strike marches yesterday in Oakland I talked to a reporter for the New York Times magazine for a half hour who is doing a feature story on "Oakland" - and his perception seemed very NY/Manhattan based - i.e. how could you live there with the murder rate so high? and what business would want to invest in downtown Oakland after Occupy? <div><br></div><div>#stereotypes go in all different directions.</div><div><br></div><div>I consider myself much more of a Bay Area resident than an East Bay or Oakland resident - I go to school in Berkeley, used to live in SF (and love it), Chris works in Silicon Valley. One giant love fest for me.<br><br>---------------------------
j e n s c h r a d i e
<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: erin.milnes@comcast.net<br>To: allegra.hirschman@gmail.com; deep@deeptrouble.com<br>Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:01:35 -0700<br>CC: Social@lists.deeptrouble.com<br>Subject: Re: SOCIAL: Fwd: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available<br><br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Thanks, Allegra. Very helpful insights.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Deep, the conversation was not all noise
at all. Karen and I offered concrete examples of what you can get for your rent
dollar in the East Bay. </span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I had no idea until this thread that rents
had gotten so high. I love SF, but it apparently is turning into Manhattan as
far as who can live there. Maybe it’s only a problem in the ‘happening’
parts of town … what’s a studio in Exelsior go for? I’m not
sure we are going to stay in the Bay Area at all, given the high cost of living
and crappy schools, but for now Oakland is our best choice.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">My point with “East Bay all the way”
is that if you want to live in the Bay Area and affordability is a prime
concern, then the East Bay is where you should look. Of course the East Bay has
many fab qualities in addition to greater affordability, and SF has wonderful qualities
that might encourage people to strain their budget to live there. </span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">When I lived in SF I had lots of friends and
some family in the East Bay, so I was over here all the time. But I was the
exception among my SF friends. There’s no question that it’s very
tough to pry most SF people out of the city even for a visit. I don’t
know whether that’s fear of/discomfort with the unknown, laziness, snobbishness,
simple habit, something else, all of the above. I believe it is this reluctance
to cross the bay and the resulting implication/perception that the East Bay is not
worthy of their time that causes many East Bay people, especially Oakland
hipster/artist types, to have a chip on their shoulder about SF. </span></font></p>
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Hirschman [mailto:allegra.hirschman@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 02, 2012
10:07 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Amandeep Jawa<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Erin Milnes;
Social@lists.deeptrouble.com<br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hey all,<br>
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<br>
I think this conversation is very telling of a major tension in this city that
most of us are uncomfortable discussing - the fact that basically only rich
people can live here. I have seen this tension building as housing
advertisements on boards around the city are consistently defaced by people who
are outraged by the rent.<br>
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Even if it is all relative, I am upset by anyone reffering to this as
"cheap." Someone earning minimum wage does not even bring in
1700 a month. <br>
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I am also unclear on why saying the east bay is affordable is
"denigrating" unless us SFers are just that programmed by our 8
dollar heirloom coffee beans to believe that something being reasonably priced
makes it less than. <br>
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I don't think we can blame the person renting this studio at what is sadly,
market value, for the greater issues here. I know I am very concerned
that SF has the lowest percentage of children in any U.S. City and even though
I always thought I would fight like hell to raise my kids here, even if i can
swing it, I am not sure if I want them to only interact with children of the
rich.<br>
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Deep- I appreciate you trying to keep the peace in the bay divides, but I
couldn't keep my mouth shut.<br>
<br>
Allegra</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Amandeep Jawa <<a href="mailto:deep@deeptrouble.com">deep@deeptrouble.com</a>>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">This conversation is all noise. It sheds little light, and it us
difgicult for SFers to respond without sounding like we're denigrating the East
Bay.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Yes. There are many upsides to leaving on either side of the Bay. There
are challenges to both.</span></font></p>
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Sent from my iPhone</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I agree – East Bay all the way. If we rented out our Oakland
2 BR, 1 BA duplex with beautiful garden & deck, 10-min walk from Lake
Merritt we’d maybe get $1700.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I haven’t looked at SF rents in years, but when I left Bernal
in 2005, the 3BR house I lived in wasn’t going for anything comparable to
this (maybe $2100?), and of course it was much harder to find roommates then,
than in the pre-millennial boom. Have rents gone up this much all over
SF, or is it just certain neighborhoods?</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Also, I didn’t know that it was legal to rent an apartment
without a stove.</span></font></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:social-bounces@lists.deeptrouble.com">social-bounces@lists.deeptrouble.com</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Karen Nemsick<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:01
AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:ellisafeinstein@yahoo.com">ellisafeinstein@yahoo.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:manish@champsee.com">manish@champsee.com</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:Social@lists.deeptrouble.com">Social@lists.deeptrouble.com</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: SOCIAL: Fwd:
[cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available</span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">We have a craftsman house in Berkeley with yard,
creek and storage shed for $1925/mo. After 18 years in SF I just couldn't
stomach the rents anymore.</span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span></b>Ellisa Feinstein <<a href="mailto:ellisafeinstein@yahoo.com">ellisafeinstein@yahoo.com</a>>;
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span></b>Deep social <<a href="mailto:Social@lists.deeptrouble.com">Social@lists.deeptrouble.com</a>>;
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span></b>Re: SOCIAL: Fwd:
[cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent: </span></b>Wed, May 2, 2012 6:05:33 AM </span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">It's actually
pretty cheap..if you know anyone looking, I'd tell them to jump on it.
A friend has a studio in India Basin that is pet friendly that he's asking
$1400 and has people willing to write a check site unseen.<br>
<br>
Manish</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Tue, May 1,
2012 at 10:25 PM, Ellisa Feinstein <ellisafeinstein@yahoo.com> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Wow. $1700
for a studio without a full kitchen. These rents are getting dang crazy!</span></font></p>
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Amy Muller <amymuller@gmail.com><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Social Social
<social@deeptrouble.com> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:27 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> SOCIAL: Fwd:
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From: <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Susan Alexander</span></b>
<salexandersf@gmail.com><br>
Date: Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM<br>
Subject: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available<br>
To: CDS listserv <cdscommunity@yahoogroups.com></span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi,<br>
I'm looking for a new tenant for my sunny, spacious studio apartment with
beautiful views on Hill Street.<br>
<br>
Large, cheerful studio apartment with deck and direct garden access. Full
bath, carpet, two large walk-in closets. Minimal kitchen with half fridge,
hot plate, and toaster oven. Great neighbors. Easy street parking and Muni
access. Walking distance to Castro and to 24th Street. <br>
No pets. No smoking.<br>
<br>
Available July 1<br>
$1700/month plus utilities<br>
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Please share this with your networks. I would love to get some friend of
friend in there, so I'll wait before I post on Craigslist.</span></font></p>
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