Apologies if my comment about the rent being "cheap" lead to any bad feelings or stirred up a hornets nest. Unfortunately, thats what rent looks like these days in San Francisco.<div><br></div><div>It is sad how people are being priced out of here. The Guardian had an article a couple of weeks ago asking if Oakland is cooler than San Francisco. I have to admit, the thought has crossed my mind. I have a place in San Francisco that I can have as long as I want, but I wonder if I'm still going to want to live here in a few years.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Manish<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Allegra Hirschman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:allegra.hirschman@gmail.com" target="_blank">allegra.hirschman@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hey all,<br><br><br>I think this conversation is very telling of a major tension in this city that most of us are uncomfortable discussing - the fact that basically only rich people can live here. I have seen this tension building as housing advertisements on boards around the city are consistently defaced by people who are outraged by the rent.<br>
<br>Even if it is all relative, I am upset by anyone reffering to this as "cheap." Someone earning minimum wage does not even bring in 1700 a month. <br><br>I am also unclear on why saying the east bay is affordable is "denigrating" unless us SFers are just that programmed by our 8 dollar heirloom coffee beans to believe that something being reasonably priced makes it less than. <br>
<br>I don't think we can blame the person renting this studio at what is sadly, market value, for the greater issues here. I know I am very concerned that SF has the lowest percentage of children in any U.S. City and even though I always thought I would fight like hell to raise my kids here, even if i can swing it, I am not sure if I want them to only interact with children of the rich.<br>
<br>Deep- I appreciate you trying to keep the peace in the bay divides, but I couldn't keep my mouth shut.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br>Allegra</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Amandeep Jawa <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:deep@deeptrouble.com" target="_blank">deep@deeptrouble.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Folks -</div><div><br></div><div>This conversation is all noise. It sheds little light, and it us difgicult for SFers to respond without sounding like we're denigrating the East Bay.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Yes. There are many upsides to leaving on either side of the Bay. There are challenges to both.</div><div><br></div><div>'deep<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div><div><br>On May 2, 2012, at 8:46 AM, "Erin Milnes" <<a href="mailto:erin.milnes@comcast.net" target="_blank">erin.milnes@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I agree – East Bay all the way. If we
rented out our Oakland 2 BR, 1 BA duplex with beautiful garden & deck,
10-min walk from Lake Merritt we’d maybe get $1700.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I haven’t looked at SF rents in years, but
when I left Bernal in 2005, the 3BR house I lived in wasn’t going for anything comparable
to this (maybe $2100?), and of course it was much harder to find roommates
then, than in the pre-millennial boom. Have rents gone up this much all over
SF, or is it just certain neighborhoods?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Also, I didn’t know that it was legal to
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creek and storage shed for $1925/mo. After 18 years in SF I just couldn't
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cheap..if you know anyone looking, I'd tell them to jump on it. A
friend has a studio in India Basin that is pet friendly that he's asking
$1400 and has people willing to write a check site unseen.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Ellisa Feinstein <<a>ellisafeinstein@yahoo.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">Wow. $1700 for a studio without a full kitchen. These
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Date: Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM<br>
Subject: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Hi,<br>
I'm looking for a new tenant for my sunny, spacious studio apartment with
beautiful views on Hill Street.<br>
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Large, cheerful studio apartment with deck and direct garden access. Full
bath, carpet, two large walk-in closets. Minimal kitchen with half fridge,
hot plate, and toaster oven. Great neighbors. Easy street parking and Muni
access. Walking distance to Castro and to 24th Street. <br>
No pets. No smoking.<br>
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Available July 1<br>
$1700/month plus utilities<br>
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Please share this with your networks. I would love to get some friend of
friend in there, so I'll wait before I post on Craigslist.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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