<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>It's not that surprising... Just look at the blood lust for that cyclist that killed the pedestrian a few weeks ago in SF. And keep in mind I only hear about it thru facebook now that i live in NYC -- meaning it's *my own friends* calling for the cyclist to be charged with murder. Meanwhile cars continue to mow down pedestrians and the default reaction from the police and the public is "oopsies! accidents happen.... No charges filed!"</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On May 8, 2012, at 1:08 PM, <a href="mailto:social-request@lists.deeptrouble.com">social-request@lists.deeptrouble.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Send Social mailing list submissions to<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="mailto:social@lists.deeptrouble.com">social@lists.deeptrouble.com</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>http://lists.deeptrouble.com/listinfo.cgi/social-deeptrouble.com<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>social-request@lists.deeptrouble.com<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>social-owner@lists.deeptrouble.com<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Social digest..."<br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. 70% of all accidents fault of cyclists? (jen schradie)<br> 2. Re: 70% of all accidents fault of cyclists? (Marc Caswell)<br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">jen schradie <schradie@hotmail.com><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>SOCIAL: 70% of all accidents fault of cyclists?</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">May 8, 2012 12:37:27 PM EDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><social@deeptrouble.com><br></span></div><br><br>
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really? someone on my kids' listserv (below) just posted this.<br><br>---------------------------
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<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:31:17 -0700<br>From: jaskart@yahoo.com<br>Subject: Re: [noccs] Bicycle safety - parents and kids<br>To: schradie@hotmail.com<br><br><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Those efforts would be worthwhile (cutting back bushes, etc.) but futile if cyclists don't take responsibility for their own safety. It is one thing to be empowered, and another to be oblivious and entitled where it doesn't work. 70% of all bicycle accidents are the fault of the cyclist, not the driver! CHP data right there.</span></div><div><span>Putting responsibility on the drivers is exactly what this parent did, and it is a sure recipe for danger.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>I grew up in San Francisco, during the 80's and there were no bike lanes, etc. and a LOT fewer accidents involving bikes, because cyclists understood that their own safety was their responsibility. Can't pass the buck in this situation. Kids need to STOP at intersections and busy driveways/parking lot entrances, even
when they're walking, but especially when they're riding a bike.</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> jen schradie <schradie@hotmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> noccs@yahoogroups.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, May 8, 2012 9:21 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [noccs] Bicycle safety - parents and kids<br> </font> </div> <br>
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Hi Jask,<div><br></div><div>Great timing! Thursday is the East Bay's annual bike to work (school) day. Bicycle awareness from bicyclists, motorists and pedestrians is all very important to support cycling. For NOCCS cyclists, there are a number of "energizer" stations Thursday with free food, tools, coupons and other cycling perks. The one closest to NOCCS is at 40th and San Pablo. Also one at Actual Cafe and at various other points.</div><div><br></div><div>Another bicycle issue at NOCCS is now that cyclists who park their bikes in the NOCCS parking lot are no longer able to go through the back door, cycling kids/parents/teachers need to walk through the parking lot entrance to go into the building. My kids have almost been hit by incoming cars into the parking lot two times. Very scary. Perhaps the bushes could be cut back (I'm happy to do this if I have permission), so drivers can better see cyclists coming from the bike racks, as visibility is almost
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<br><br><div><hr id="ecxyiv82672589stopSpelling">To: noccs@yahoogroups.com<br>From: jaskart@yahoo.com<br>Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:54:34 +0000<br>Subject: [noccs] Bicycle safety - parents and kids<br><br>
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Hey y'all, I know I pretty much never write here, just follow topics. My daughter graduated from NOCCS years ago, and I think it is a great school, and a school which is very community oriented.<br>
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That being said, I know many of our students ride a bike to school, and I have seen some very unsafe riding habits, from parents and students alike. Blazing through stop signs with your hand out is really dangerous, especially for your child, and totally unfair to the people driving.<br>
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I know that NOCCS parents are better than this, but I've seen it 3 times over the last two weeks. Parents please teach your children bicycle SAFETY. One day, they'll be riding on their own, and the safe habits will keep them alive!<br>
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Most responding officers aren't actually trained "Accident Investigators" -- they only show up to serious injury or deaths. But, the officer has to write down a 'contributory factor' and 'party at fault.' So, a responding officer who never ride a bike (and perhaps feel like bikes shouldn't be on the street at all) can say, 'well, you should've been going slower to avoid that boneheaded move that other guy did, bike rider!' <div>
<br></div><div>That said, 70%? Never heard that one. 40% according to SF 2010 data -- and the SF Bay Citizen analyzed the data and wrote a story asking the same questions ( <a href="http://www.baycitizen.org/bikes/story/do-bikers-have-speed-problem/" target="_blank">http://www.baycitizen.org/bikes/story/do-bikers-have-speed-problem/</a> ) </div>
<div><br></div><div>Remember, 72% of un-sourced statistics are completely fabricated, but that number rises to 86.4% when it's on the internet. ;) </div><div><br></div><div>-marc </div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:37 AM, jen schradie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:schradie@hotmail.com" target="_blank">schradie@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<br><br><div><div></div><hr>Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:31:17 -0700<br>From: <a href="mailto:jaskart@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jaskart@yahoo.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [noccs] Bicycle safety - parents and kids<br>To: <a href="mailto:schradie@hotmail.com" target="_blank">schradie@hotmail.com</a><br>
<br><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div><span>Those efforts would be worthwhile (cutting back bushes, etc.) but futile if cyclists don't take responsibility for their own safety. It is one thing to be empowered, and another to be oblivious and entitled where it doesn't work. 70% of all bicycle accidents are the fault of the cyclist, not the driver! CHP data right there.</span></div>
<div><span>Putting responsibility on the drivers is exactly what this parent did, and it is a sure recipe for danger.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>I grew up in San Francisco, during the 80's and there were no bike lanes, etc. and a LOT fewer accidents involving bikes, because cyclists understood that their own safety was their responsibility. Can't pass the buck in this situation. Kids need to STOP at intersections and busy driveways/parking lot entrances, even
when they're walking, but especially when they're riding a bike.</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif"> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif">
<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> jen schradie <<a href="mailto:schradie@hotmail.com" target="_blank">schradie@hotmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:noccs@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">noccs@yahoogroups.com</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, May 8, 2012 9:21 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [noccs] Bicycle safety - parents and kids<br> </font> </div> <br>
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Hi Jask,<div><br></div><div>Great timing! Thursday is the East Bay's annual bike to work (school) day. Bicycle awareness from bicyclists, motorists and pedestrians is all very important to support cycling. For NOCCS cyclists, there are a number of "energizer" stations Thursday with free food, tools, coupons and other cycling perks. The one closest to NOCCS is at 40th and San Pablo. Also one at Actual Cafe and at various other points.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Another bicycle issue at NOCCS is now that cyclists who park their bikes in the NOCCS parking lot are no longer able to go through the back door, cycling kids/parents/teachers need to walk through the parking lot entrance to go into the building. My kids have almost been hit by incoming cars into the parking lot two times. Very scary. Perhaps the bushes could be cut back (I'm happy to do this if I have permission), so drivers can better see cyclists coming from the bike racks, as visibility is almost
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<br><br><div><hr>To: <a href="mailto:noccs@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">noccs@yahoogroups.com</a><br>From: <a href="mailto:jaskart@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jaskart@yahoo.com</a><br>Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:54:34 +0000<br>
Subject: [noccs] Bicycle safety - parents and kids<br><br>
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Hey y'all, I know I pretty much never write here, just follow topics. My daughter graduated from NOCCS years ago, and I think it is a great school, and a school which is very community oriented.<br>
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That being said, I know many of our students ride a bike to school, and I have seen some very unsafe riding habits, from parents and students alike. Blazing through stop signs with your hand out is really dangerous, especially for your child, and totally unfair to the people driving.<br>
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I know that NOCCS parents are better than this, but I've seen it 3 times over the last two weeks. Parents please teach your children bicycle SAFETY. One day, they'll be riding on their own, and the safe habits will keep them alive!<br>
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