SOCIAL: Fwd: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available

Wed May 2 11:01:35 PDT 2012

Thanks, Allegra. Very helpful insights.

Deep, the conversation was not all noise at all. Karen and I offered
concrete examples of what you can get for your rent dollar in the East Bay. 

I had no idea until this thread that rents had gotten so high. I love SF,
but it apparently is turning into Manhattan as far as who can live there.
Maybe it's only a problem in the 'happening' parts of town . what's a studio
in Exelsior go for? I'm not sure we are going to stay in the Bay Area at
all, given the high cost of living and crappy schools, but for now Oakland
is our best choice.

My point with "East Bay all the way" is that if you want to live in the Bay
Area and affordability is a prime concern, then the East Bay is where you
should look. Of course the East Bay has many fab qualities in addition to
greater affordability, and SF has wonderful qualities that might encourage
people to strain their budget to live there. 

When I lived in SF I had lots of friends and some family in the East Bay, so
I was over here all the time. But I was the exception among my SF friends.
There's no question that it's very tough to pry most SF people out of the
city even for a visit. I don't know whether that's fear of/discomfort with
the unknown, laziness, snobbishness, simple habit, something else, all of
the above. I believe it is this reluctance to cross the bay and the
resulting implication/perception that the East Bay is not worthy of their
time that causes many East Bay people, especially Oakland hipster/artist
types, to have a chip on their shoulder about SF. 

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From: Allegra Hirschman [mailto:allegra.hirschman at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:07 AM
To: Amandeep Jawa
Cc: Erin Milnes; Social at lists.deeptrouble.com
Subject: Re: SOCIAL: Fwd: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available

Hey all,

I think this conversation is very telling of a major tension in this city
that most of us are uncomfortable discussing - the fact that basically only
rich people can live here.  I have seen this tension building as housing
advertisements on boards around the city are consistently defaced by people
who are outraged by the rent.

Even if it is all relative, I am upset by anyone reffering to this as
"cheap."  Someone earning minimum wage does not even bring in 1700 a month.

I am also unclear on why saying the east bay is affordable is "denigrating"
unless us SFers are just that programmed by our 8 dollar heirloom coffee
beans to believe that something being reasonably priced makes it less than.

I don't think we can blame the person renting this studio at what is sadly,
market value, for the greater issues here.  I know I am very concerned that
SF has the lowest percentage of children in any U.S. City and even though I
always thought I would fight like hell to raise my kids here, even if i can
swing it, I am not sure if I want them to only interact with children of the
rich.

Deep- I appreciate you trying to keep the peace in the bay divides, but I
couldn't keep my mouth shut.

Allegra

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Amandeep Jawa <deep at deeptrouble.com> wrote:

Folks -

This conversation is all noise. It sheds little light, and it us difgicult
for SFers to respond without sounding like we're denigrating the East Bay.

Yes. There are many upsides to leaving on either side of the Bay. There are
challenges to both.

'deep

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On May 2, 2012, at 8:46 AM, "Erin Milnes" <erin.milnes at comcast.net> wrote:

I agree - East Bay all the way. If we rented out our Oakland 2 BR, 1 BA
duplex with beautiful garden & deck, 10-min walk from Lake Merritt we'd
maybe get $1700.

I haven't looked at SF rents in years, but when I left Bernal in 2005, the
3BR house I lived in wasn't going for anything comparable to this (maybe
$2100?), and of course it was much harder to find roommates then, than in
the pre-millennial boom.  Have rents gone up this much all over SF, or is it
just certain neighborhoods?

Also, I didn't know that it was legal to rent an apartment without a stove.

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From: social-bounces at lists.deeptrouble.com
[mailto:social-bounces at lists.deeptrouble.com] On Behalf Of Karen Nemsick
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:01 AM
To: ellisafeinstein at yahoo.com; manish at champsee.com
Cc: Social at lists.deeptrouble.com
Subject: Re: SOCIAL: Fwd: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available

We have a craftsman house in Berkeley with yard, creek and storage shed for
$1925/mo. After 18 years in SF I just couldn't stomach the rents anymore.

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From: Manish Champsee <manish at champsee.com>; 
To: Ellisa Feinstein <ellisafeinstein at yahoo.com>; 
Cc: Deep social <Social at lists.deeptrouble.com>; 
Subject: Re: SOCIAL: Fwd: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available 
Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 6:05:33 AM 

It's actually pretty cheap..if you know anyone looking, I'd tell them to
jump on it.  A friend has a studio in India Basin that is pet friendly that
he's asking $1400 and has people willing to write a check site unseen.

Manish

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Ellisa Feinstein
<ellisafeinstein at yahoo.com> wrote:

Wow. $1700 for a studio without a full kitchen. These rents are getting dang
crazy!

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From: Amy Muller <amymuller at gmail.com>
To: Social Social <social at deeptrouble.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:27 PM
Subject: SOCIAL: Fwd: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available

FYI

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From: Susan Alexander <salexandersf at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Subject: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available
To: CDS listserv <cdscommunity at yahoogroups.com>

Hi,
I'm looking for a new tenant for my sunny, spacious studio apartment with
beautiful views on Hill Street.

Large, cheerful studio apartment with deck and direct garden access. Full
bath, carpet, two large walk-in closets. Minimal kitchen with half fridge,
hot plate, and toaster oven. Great neighbors. Easy street parking and Muni
access. Walking distance to Castro and to 24th Street. 
No pets. No smoking.

Available July 1
$1700/month plus utilities

Please share this with your networks. I would love to get some friend of
friend in there, so I'll wait before I post on Craigslist.

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