SOCIAL: Fwd: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available

Wed May 2 10:32:30 PDT 2012

Allegra -

I agree, the conversation is telling, but it had not, until your email, touched on anything more than "the East Bay is cheaper" and was at risk of becoming "yay East Bay! - SF sux" which is useless. 

Your email is the first to make this an interesting conversation. I'm not trying to keep the peace as much as trying to make sure only the signal to noise ration remains high.  Your email meets that bar & then some!

'Deep

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On May 2, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Allegra Hirschman wrote:

> Hey all,
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> I think this conversation is very telling of a major tension in this city that most of us are uncomfortable discussing - the fact that basically only rich people can live here.  I have seen this tension building as housing advertisements on boards around the city are consistently defaced by people who are outraged by the rent.
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> Even if it is all relative, I am upset by anyone reffering to this as "cheap."  Someone earning minimum wage does not even bring in 1700 a month.  
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> I am also unclear on why saying the east bay is affordable is "denigrating" unless us SFers are just that programmed by our 8 dollar heirloom coffee beans to believe that something being reasonably priced makes it less than.  
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> I don't think we can blame the person renting this studio at what is sadly, market value, for the greater issues here.  I know I am very concerned that SF has the lowest percentage of children in any U.S. City and even though I always thought I would fight like hell to raise my kids here, even if i can swing it, I am not sure if I want them to only interact with children of the rich.
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> Deep- I appreciate you trying to keep the peace in the bay divides, but I couldn't keep my mouth shut.
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> Allegra
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> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Amandeep Jawa <deep at deeptrouble.com> wrote:
> Folks -
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> This conversation is all noise. It sheds little light, and it us difgicult for SFers to respond without sounding like we're denigrating the East Bay.
> 
> Yes. There are many upsides to leaving on either side of the Bay. There are challenges to both.
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> 'deep
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 2, 2012, at 8:46 AM, "Erin Milnes" <erin.milnes at comcast.net> wrote:
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>> I agree – East Bay all the way. If we rented out our Oakland 2 BR, 1 BA duplex with beautiful garden & deck, 10-min walk from Lake Merritt we’d maybe get $1700.
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>> I haven’t looked at SF rents in years, but when I left Bernal in 2005, the 3BR house I lived in wasn’t going for anything comparable to this (maybe $2100?), and of course it was much harder to find roommates then, than in the pre-millennial boom.  Have rents gone up this much all over SF, or is it just certain neighborhoods?
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>> Also, I didn’t know that it was legal to rent an apartment without a stove.
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>> From: social-bounces at lists.deeptrouble.com [mailto:social-bounces at lists.deeptrouble.com] On Behalf Of Karen Nemsick
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:01 AM
>> To: ellisafeinstein at yahoo.com; manish at champsee.com
>> Cc: Social at lists.deeptrouble.com
>> Subject: Re: SOCIAL: Fwd: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available
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>> We have a craftsman house in Berkeley with yard, creek and storage shed for $1925/mo. After 18 years in SF I just couldn't stomach the rents anymore.
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>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
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>> From: Manish Champsee <manish at champsee.com>; 
>> To: Ellisa Feinstein <ellisafeinstein at yahoo.com>; 
>> Cc: Deep social <Social at lists.deeptrouble.com>; 
>> Subject: Re: SOCIAL: Fwd: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available 
>> Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 6:05:33 AM
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>> It's actually pretty cheap..if you know anyone looking, I'd tell them to jump on it.  A friend has a studio in India Basin that is pet friendly that he's asking $1400 and has people willing to write a check site unseen.
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>> Manish
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>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Ellisa Feinstein <ellisafeinstein at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Wow. $1700 for a studio without a full kitchen. These rents are getting dang crazy!
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>> From: Amy Muller <amymuller at gmail.com>
>> To: Social Social <social at deeptrouble.com> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:27 PM
>> Subject: SOCIAL: Fwd: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available
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>> FYI
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Susan Alexander <salexandersf at gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM
>> Subject: [cdscommunity] Noe Valley studio apt available
>> To: CDS listserv <cdscommunity at yahoogroups.com>
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>> Hi,
>> I'm looking for a new tenant for my sunny, spacious studio apartment with beautiful views on Hill Street.
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>> Large, cheerful studio apartment with deck and direct garden access. Full bath, carpet, two large walk-in closets. Minimal kitchen with half fridge, hot plate, and toaster oven. Great neighbors. Easy street parking and Muni access. Walking distance to Castro and to 24th Street. 
>> No pets. No smoking.
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>> Available July 1
>> $1700/month plus utilities
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>> Please share this with your networks. I would love to get some friend of friend in there, so I'll wait before I post on Craigslist.
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